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Response Times and Professional Magazines

Yesterday I withdrew a story from a market because we were starting to near the one year mark, and the couple of queries I’d made all got the usual “It’s in the queue, we’re swamped, just a little longer” reply. I don’t mind waiting a little longer, but I do mind when it gets used to keep you going for months.

So that’s cool, and no hard feelings over them having sat on it a while. I end up withdrawing a story for similar reasons once every couple of years. But here’s the reply I got regarding the withdrawal:

Thanks for the note. Your story is officially withdrawn from our reading queue. One thing you might want to consider in the future is that pro markets take a lot of time. So I’d tailor a story for a certain market and then move on while you wait. That’s what Bradbury and Matheson and all those guys do. Some pro markets such as Cemetery Dance take up to two years. So that’s why I say. But the credit one receives when they break pro is worth everything. I hope this helps you future endeavors. You can send along something else in the future when we reopen for subs in [identifying information redacted]. Just make sure it’s a different story as I don’t accept stories that have previously been withdrawn.

Some pro markets do take up to two years, but it’s darn few of them. Most of the professional magazines are professional; they get stuff back to you fast. Even without e-submissions, Gordon Van Gelder manages to wade through swamps of rejections and still return them in a timely manner. Sure, Tor.com is slow, but given that they pay five times as much as most, I’m willing to give them five times as much time in which to reply. Asimov’s, Analog, Lightspeed, Clarkesworld, Fantasy Magazine, Beneath Ceaseless Skies, and Strange Horizons all pay professional rates and yet manage what is apparently a highly unprofessional rapid reply rate.

We got 550-600 subs a month towards the end of my tenure with Fantasy, and I would have felt terrible making people wait over a month, let alone more. And I’m going to say, this particular rejection is a great argument for form rejections, because the patronizing tone here really put me off, plus this is TERRIBLE advice for a new writer. Write what you want to write, not what you think a magazine wants to see.

I dunno. Maybe the editor is working off a different definition of professional than I use.

7 Responses

  1. Couldn’t agree more. I cannot think of a single pro market for short fiction that feels it is OK to hang on to a submission for a year, let alone two. A good number of the so-called semi-pro (based on smaller payment, not necessarily quality) are just as speedy in their editorial decisions. My last sale to one of those markets, a highly respected UK magazine, had a 30-day response time from the editor. The layout spread and payment arrived within another thirty days. We’ve all had a few incidents where a story languished for a very long time, but they’re the exception, thankfully. (I personally strongly dislike it when an editor or publisher holds a story for eight months or longer and then sends a form rejection — if they held the story that long through a cut or two I think they owe the author some concise feedback.) And yes, writers should always write the stories that inspire them, and not attempt to imitate stories they read in F&SF or Clarkesworld in hope of making an easier sale. Good luck with that strategy.

  2. Oddly enough I got a very similar note recently, and the wording was only slightly different. I decided to give the editor another couple of months, but perhaps I made the wrong decision. Many thanks for posting this. If the 1-year mark rolls around without an answer, I’ll withdraw the story.

  3. This editor doesn’t seem to be very abreast of the field, either, given (a) you’re hardly a newcomer and (b) as you mentioned, several highly respected pro markets have very timely turnaround, including the big 3. An editor so unaware of today’s oft-published authors and his competition would turn me off permanently.

  4. Naw, I can’t fault anyone for not knowing who I am, there’s plenty of short story writers out there and I have only been publishing for a few years.

    But they -should- know better than a) equate long reply time with professionalism and b) to assume a submitter has never made a pro sale. The latter is just plain condescending (imo).

  5. Well, I’m pretty new to the field — just started submitting professionally in December — but I’ve done my reading, and I have an idea who the established names are in the field. Okay, you’re not Bradbury or Matheson, but if I ran a magazine, I think I’d be keeping up with what was being published elsewhere. Seems like good business sense to me, knowing one’s market. Heck, just a visit to this website’s “Fiction” page would have told the editor you’ve published in many of the leading magazines over the past five years, and hardly need advice on “breaking into” the field.

    I agree wholeheartedly on both your points.

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The meeting room had been storage area originally. Like everything else in the laboratory converted into headquarters, it was cramped, incredibly cramped, and more soon because of the outsized table someone had jammed into the middle. Chairs were crammed in around, an assortment of styles and shapes, as though everyone had elected to bring their own seating arrangement. In a corner was a small triangular table, holding a battered coffee pot and a perpetually empty plate.

They were the first to arrive, and Ms. Liberty took the opportunity to select, not the sturdiest chair (a hefty wooden bench) in the room, which the Unicorn would probably need, but the second sturdiest. Her augmented flesh was denser than that of most of the other team members, and she thought that breaking a chair would be a bad way to start off her first week with the team. The chair she picked was made of metal and was unyielding underneath her ans she sat down. She tried to relax into it, tried to assume the pose that would convey her attitude when others entered the room: not too eager but certainly on the alert.

Meanwhile, X wandered the corners of the room, extruded a long thin tentacle, which thoroughly explored the inner workings of the coffeepot, fingered the edges of the map of the world thumbtacked to the wall next to the nonfunctioning video screen. Over Antarctica, someone had scrawled in barely legible green pen, “Kilroy was here.” Air blew in through the vents, the only real source of sound in the room other than their breathing and the sounds of their movement.

The clock on the wall, which hung a little askew as though buffeted somehow in the past, clicked, and the hand clicked over to a minute before the hour. The door swung open and Dr. Raffy emerged, arms full of navy-blue folders stamped with the Squadron’s logo. He nodded at both of them and began to put a folder at each seat. X turned into a porcupine and waddled over to take the seat next to Ms. Liberty, a plain pine kitchen chair, its seat well-worn with use.

The Gladhander was the next to appear. “Ladies, gentleman”¦” He smirked as he slid into his chair, a leather Aeron that gave silently underneath him. The door opened again to show the Silver Juggler and Ballboy, both looking ill at ease and unhappy.

At the hour, Dr. Raffy began to speak, despite the lack of the Unicorn.

“If you’ll open the folders in front of you and turn to the first page, which is printed on cornflower blue paper, you’ll see our agenda.”

They all dutifully did so. The writer side of Ms. Liberty noted several spots where passive voice could be eliminated, a sentence whose parallel structure was insufficiently clear, and an out of place comma.

Dr. Raffy continued. “I’d like to welcome our new members officially, Ms. Liberty and X. While the circumstances that have opened new positions on our team have been sad, we are glad to have their new insights and experiences.” He smiled at Ms. Liberty and she smiled back, feeling genuinely welcome for the first time.

“Here, here,” the Silver Juggler said and led the room in a round of polite applause. X blushed purple appreciation.

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Round-up of Awards Posts by F&SF Writers, Editors, and Publishers for 2020

It’s that time again! Once again I have created this post for consolidating fantasy and science fiction award eligibility round-ups. If you are an F&SF writer, editor, podcast, or publisher working in comics, fiction or games, I hope you’ll let people know what you have that they should be reading. People on my Discord server have already been gently prodded about this.

Past things I have written about why writers should do this include On Awards: To Be Pushy Or Not To Be Pushy (2014), The Spontaneous Knotting of an Agitated Awards Process (2015), and To Eligibility Post or Not to Eligibility Post? (2016).

Here are the previous such posts from 2017, 2018, 2019

Here are the guidelines that save us both work. It’s best if you e-mail me to add your name and link. I need to know your name, what categories you fit in, and the single URL that lets people find the works. Fair warning: If I have to click through multiple links in order to figure out your name and which category you should be put in, it will slow me down and make me cranky.

I strongly suggest that you do this in a blog post rather than on social media, for multiple reasons, including: it’s hard for people to find stuff on social media sometimes; not everyone has a social media account; it affects search engine optimization; and the fact that it’ll be easier for you to find it yourself later on. I can and do point at Twitter or FB posts if that’s all that people have, but I think they are shortchanging themselves when they do it.

If you tweet yours and tag me, there’s a good chance I’ll miss it somehow. Feel free to remind me in e-mail so I don’t miss it a second time.

A.C. Wise maintains a similar list here.

Here are the SFWA recommended reading lists. These lists are the suggestions made by members of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America and represent pieces they found particularly read-worthy over the course of the year. Appearance on the list is NOT the same thing as a Nebula nomination.

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Writers:

  1. Eisuke Aikawa
  2. Phoenix Alexander
  3. B. Morris Allen
  4. Mike Allen
  5. G.V. Anderson
  6. Jason R. Baltazar
  7. Patrick Barb
  8. Devin Barlow
  9. Yaroslav Barsukov
  10. Phoebe Barton
  11. Alan Baxter
  12. Helena Bell
  13. Renan Bernardo
  14. Gautam Bhatia
  15. Derrick Boden
  16. Maurice Broaddus
  17. Laurence Brothers
  18. K.T. Bryski
  19. Andi Buchanan
  20. Cora Buhlert
  21. Stephanie Burgis
  22. Lisbeth Campbell
  23. Rebecca Campbell
  24. H.E. Casson
  25. Minerva Cerridwen
  26. L. Chan
  27. Jordan Chase-Young
  28. Mike Chen
  29. Joyce Chng
  30. Zen Cho
  31. May Chong
  32. Kay Chronister
  33. Nino Cipri
  34. Chandra Clarke
  35. ZZ Claybourne
  36. Katherine Crighton
  37. Brandon Crilly
  38. Marc Criley
  39. Carrie Cuinn
  40. Ray Daley
  41. J.R. Dawson
  42. Aliette de Bodard
  43. Ashley Deng
  44. Tracy Deonn (eligible for Astounding)
  45. Anya Johnson DeNiro
  46. S.B. Divya
  47. Maria Dong
  48. Jennifer Donohue
  49. Vraiux Dorós (eligible for the Astounding Award)
  50. Aidan Doyle
  51. Katharine Duckett
  52. Jonathan Louis Duckworth
  53. Andy Dudak
  54. R.K. Duncan
  55. Anthony Eichenlaub
  56. Oghenechovwe Donald Ekpeki
  57. Louis Evans
  58. Corey Farrenkopf
  59. Illimani Ferreria
  60. C.C. Finlay
  61. A.J. Fitzwater
  62. Vanessa Fogg
  63. Susan Forest
  64. Theresa Frohock
  65. Sarah Gailey
  66. Ephiny Gale
  67. R.S.A. Garcia
  68. Emma J. Gibbon
  69. Craig Laurence Gidney
  70. Chadwick Ginther
  71. Lora Gray
  72. J.T. Greathouse
  73. A.T. Greenblatt
  74. R.W.W. Greene
  75. Mika Grimmer (eligible for the Astounding Award)
  76. Eileen Gunnell Lee
  77. Thomas Ha
  78. Elad Haber
  79. Essa Hansen (eligible for the Astounding Award)
  80. Leigh Harlen
  81. Maria Haskins
  82. Kate Heartfield
  83. Joachim Heijndermans
  84. Sylvia Heike
  85. Rhiannon Held
  86. Carlos Hernandez
  87. Alicia Hilton
  88. Stark Holborn
  89. Jessica Jo Horowitz
  90. A.P. Howell
  91. Jennifer Hudak
  92. Andrew D. Hudson
  93. Zina Hutton
  94. Oshahon Ize-Iyamu
  95. Sid Jain (eligible for the Astounding Award)
  96. Jessica Jo
  97. Rachael K. Jones
  98. Anya Josephs
  99. Keishi Kajifune (eligible for the Astounding Award)
  100. Umiyuri Katsuyama
  101. Gwen C. Katz
  102. Ava Kelly
  103. Michael Kelly
  104. L.P. Kindred
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  106. Benjamin C. Kinney
  107. Gwendolyn Kiste
  108. Zelda Knight
  109. C.H. Knight
  110. Shawn Kobb
  111. Joanna Koch
  112. Jordan Kurella
  113. Jamie Lackey
  114. Lavanya Lakshminarayan
  115. N. R. Lambert
  116. C. J. Lavigne
  117. J.H.R. Lawless
  118. Eileen Gunnell Lee
  119. P.H. Lee
  120. R.B. Lemberg
  121. Jessica Lévai
  122. L.D. Lewis
  123. Mina Li
  124. Monte Lin
  125. Marissa Lingen
  126. Darcie Little Badger
  127. Monica Louzon
  128. S. Qiouyi Lu
  129. Catherine Lundoff
  130. M. Evan MacGriogair
  131. Clara Madrigano
  132. Usman T. Malik
  133. Lyndsie Manusos
  134. Marshall Ryan Maresca
  135. Anna Martino
  136. J.A.W. McCarthy
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  138. Lawrence Miller
  139. Samantha Mills
  140. Premee Mohamed
  141. Aidan Moher
  142. Ben Monroe
  143. Elisabeth R. Moore (eligible for Astounding Award)
  144. L.H. Moore
  145. Sunny Moraine
  146. Mike Morgan
  147. Ilana C. Myer
  148. Ray Nayler
  149. Yvette Lisa Ndlovu
  150. Celia Neri
  151. Mari Ness
  152. Wendy Nikel
  153. Leah Ning (eligible for the Astounding Award)
  154. Christie Nogle
  155. Julie Novakova
  156. Claire O’Dell
  157. Sandra Odell
  158. Aimee Ogden
  159. Tobi Ogundiran
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  162. Rhonda Parrish
  163. Irette Patterson
  164. Shari Paul
  165. Charles Payseur
  166. Robert G. Penner
  167. E.A. Petricone
  168. Aimee Picchi
  169. Sarah Pinsker
  170. Hailey Piper
  171. Vina Jie-Min Prasad
  172. Mary Rajotte
  173. Cat Rambo
  174. Jenny Rae Rappaport
  175. Arula Ratnakar (eligible for the Astounding Award)
  176. Julie Reeser
  177. Jeff Reynolds
  178. Joyce Reynolds-Ward
  179. Endria Issa Richardson (eligible for Astounding Award)
  180. Lauren Ring (eligible for the Astounding Award)
  181. Rebecca Roanhorse
  182. Karlo Yeager Rodríguez
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  187. R.P. Sand (eligible for the Astounding Award)
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  189. Lynne Sargent
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  191. A.T. Sayre (eligible for the Astounding Award)
  192. Edmund Schluessel
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  196. T.R. Siebert
  197. Elsa Sjunneson
  198. Prashanth Srivatsa (eligible for the Astounding Award)
  199. Carlie St. George
  200. Caitlin Starling
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  202. Sonia Sulamain
  203. Bogi Takács
  204. Jordan Taylor
  205. Kristina Ten (eligible for the Astounding Award)
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  208. M. Elizabeth Ticknor
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  218. Izzy Wasserstein
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  225. A.C. Wise
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